Saturday, 24 October 2009 October 24, 2009
Posted by leslie in Training Log.Tags: choke, gi, Renzo Gracie, side control
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No creative titles today. Still stiff and sore from Thursday. Small class. Saturdays usually are. Tim’s son had football. We had a guy visiting from Team RAM in Lynchburg. He was hitting the heavy bags before class. Sharp standup. Throws hard and tight, no windmilling or flailing. Also a college wrestler; real slick wrestling.
Rolling to warmup. Guillaume first. Worked on playing spider guard some, though he can just stand up to pass it. Little bit of X-guard, too, when he kept dropping himself into my half guard. Tried the sweep where you take them over your head. … Yeah, not so much. He gave up his back a lot, so played a lot from there. He was defending the RNC; tried the armbar setup from there, but he was blocking everything I needed, so had to work to a gi choke. Trying triangles from guard and spider guard, but couldn’t quite get in there right. Also saw some mount. Can get the triangles from there.
Drilling next. The Renzo variation on a gi choke. (Maybe I should start learning what these things are called. I just have to make stuff up.) From side control, turn to reverse kesa gatame. Pull out your own lapel on the side further from their body. As you pull it out, palm the end of the lapel and curl your fingers around it. (That’s the Renzo part. Another sneaky Brazilian trick is to put the lapel in your mouth.) Turn back to side control. Slide the hand holding the gi across their chest to the far side of their neck; the lapel will be hidden by your arm and hand. When you reach your other hand, turn the hand holding the lapel palm up and grab the lapel with the free hand. Pull that elbow in to tighten the lapel, and make sure your top knee is deep behind their shoulder so that their arm is trapped. Use your now free hand to post on their near-side hip. Drive your top knee up along their arm, so their arm stays trapped, and base out on that foot as you move around toward north/south. Your head switches sides, coming down in their armpit.
Another note on this choke: it works best when you and your partner are wearing the same color gi.
I had missed the arm-trapping details and so was having trouble finishing it. Adam pointed out how to fix it, and then showed all of us what to do if that arm gets out — with your free arm, pin their closest arm to the ground, and then sprawl your hips back, like the Monson choke.
More rolling. Perry first. Going slow and watching out for wrist locks.
Then another guy. Thought maybe, with no one watching and it being a slower Saturday, that maybe he’d be chill. So tried the open guard pass that Scott and Buddy had shown me Tuesday — grab pants by the ankles; when they pull in, follow and pressure in their hips with yours; when they kick out, guide their legs to one side; come down in side control. It worked beautifully. And then he flipped his lid. Majorly. Picked me up, slammed me over, and drop-elbowed me in the face. Probably didn’t necessarily mean to, but did. Rest of the round was survival and trying not to panic. He tried the move from class but did it wrong; my arm came out and I had space to move (not to escape, just to move), and he didn’t move to the variation to finish that. The rest of the round was him trying to stuff me back down to finish that choke — and mostly cranking on my neck — and me staying just ahead of him, though by the slimmest of margins. Really wanted to tap and walk away. Eventually will learn that that’s a valid option.
The skin on my neck had been stinging during that round, but I couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Looked in the mirror — his gi must have been sliding and sawing along my neck because that whole side was red and raw. Also, neck pain from the cranking. Did sit out the next round. (Also a valid option. Small bit of panicking that took a minute to control. Don’t like it when training partners are willing to hurt you to get a tap. Maybe I should mention that to Tim as an alternative to straight kicking me out: let me sit a round and pull myself together.)
Guillaume again. He noticed my neck and asked if I was okay to roll; he tried to stay away from that side. We rolled a second round after this, too. All mashed together. More spider guard playing. More trying triangles from my guard. A little more on his back (ah, figured it out — he’s turtling to get away, but isn’t tucking tight, so the hooks slide right in. Will try to remember to tell him that on Monday.). Went for several omoplatas in all 3 rolls with him, but couldn’t finish any; most came off failed triangles (wohoo for transitions!). Several sweeps where I actually recognized that his balance was off and took him the right way. Got an armbar that he defended well, but I stuck with it, fixed my positioning, and then got it on the second try. That ended the first round, and he said he thought he had defended that well; I said that he had, but pointed out that he hadn’t also escaped from the bad position. Not good enough just to defend the submission; you also have to get away from letting them do it again. The second round ended quickly when I dropped my bruised rib on his knee. Owie, am done.
My neck was still raw after class. Several of the guys saw it and asked what had happened. This is one of the guys who, just a month or so ago, was okay to roll with. He’s near his blue, and he knows it. Maybe he thinks he needs to smash a blue to get his blue and/or he’s a little ticked off that I got it before him. I don’t know, and maybe I’m imagining it, but it feels as if he’s been trying to rip me in half since then.
But seriously, guys, if I’m not tapping fast, check your technique. If it’s right, and I have no defense available, I’ll tap. If it’s wrong, and I have space, I’m gonna try to get out. If you’re pulling and ripping and I’m not tapping, the problem, 99.99% of the time, is your technique, not the amount of muscle you’re using.

“Eventually will learn that that’s a valid option.”
I was paired with a purple belt on Thursday and learned that “valid option” pretty quickly. He was smooth and I had a lot of trouble figuring out how I got into trouble so fast.
Yes! If the technique isn’t solid, fix it, don’t try to muddle through with strength.
And why can’t your coach accept that you are a mature responsible adult and allow YOU to decide when you’ve had enough and when you need to sit out? Why is it HIS prerogative?
Sigh.
@John: Yeah, sometimes, all you can do it tap, and some rolls aren’t worth finishing. There are rolls when I just feel like someone’s grappling dummy.
Though in this case, he wasn’t smooth and and I wasn’t really in trouble; he just wasn’t playing nice at all. I should learn to tap and withdraw from those rounds.
@Georgette: I really want to say something to these guys, but am not sure if I should. If their technique is right on me, they will finish it. If it’s not, they won’t.
He wants me to be tough, mentally and physically. I understand that. We’re just not quite yet seeing eye-to-eye on how to get there. But now that we’ve started talking about the problems that I’m having, I will eventually bring these sorts of things up. We’ll get there.
Hey Leslie,
Glad you were able to speak to Tim and come to some understanding. I’m very happy for you.
Are you going to the seminar that Emily Kwok is holding in Philadelphia?
Wow, this makes me nervous about actually getting a blue belt one day! I hope the guys in my class don’t turn all rabid on me if/when I advance. It also makes me feel a little bit guilty. I know I sometimes try strength to finish a submission when it’s lack of technique that is the real problem. Or when I’m trying to hold onto a submission when I should really just let go and transition into another one. Relax and keep moving, right? Sheesh. So much to work on!
@Hugo: Thanks, so am I.
I want to go to the seminar; I’m trying to work it out.
@Allie: LOL, I completely understand. I often see a submission and then doggedly pursue it, even if there’s no hope of my finishing it, because all thought of moving or transitioning flies right out of my head. (And then when I finally DO remember to transition because I don’t have it, the guy says that I DID. Aaaah!)
Check out Roy Harris’ article, he describes it so well what blue belts (and other colors) struggle with (men and women).
http://www.onthemat.com/articles/Progression_in_Brazilian_JiuJitsu_10_13_2005.html
@Triin: Thanks for the link!
Hey! I just stumbled upon the blog. I really like your stories.
That being said, I was wondering if your gym had advance classes. We have them at my gym, and it really sifts through the idiots who want to muscle through everything. It is more of a focus on technique and balance, rather than having to roll with first-week guys/girls who want to tear your head off.
Granted, I am only a white belt (an unranked one at that), but I really prefer the advance class. It forces you to think rather than react in a panic. The other great thing is the camaraderie of the smaller advance group really makes it feel like extended family.
Great blog! I’ll be checking on it.
@Conor: Hey, thanks for stumbling by
We don’t have an advanced class anymore. We used to, back when I started, and I was allowed in even though I was new. But at the time we only had about 5-7 guys in the the class and a whole lotta white belts on the other nights, so they decided to just make everything for everybody. Although, now that we’re getting a larger and solid group of advanced belts, maybe they’ll decide to add an advanced class back in.
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